October 24, 2025

Pål Ulvik Rokseth: forging the fiery world of The Lost Bus

The Cinematography Podcast Episode 330: Pål Ulvik Rokseth

Pål Ulvik Rokseth, the Norwegian cinematographer behind director Paul Greengrass’s gripping drama The Lost Bus, faced a singular challenge: how to transform one of the deadliest wildfires in California history into a visceral, cinematic character. The film dramatizes the true story of bus driver Kevin McKay and schoolteacher Mary Ludwig. The two heroically navigated 22 schoolchildren to safety during the devastating 2018 Camp Fire in Paradise, California.

The partnership between Pål and Greengrass began on another harrowing true-life drama, 22 July, about a deadly terror attack on a summer camp in Norway. Greengrass asked Pål if he’d be interested in working in the United States on The Lost Bus. Just a few weeks later, Pål was prepping in New Mexico, eager to tackle the director’s signature action-packed, docu-style storytelling.

Pål’s vision was to give the fire a palpable presence. “Paul wanted this fire to be a character,” he explains. “It has its own cinematic tool as a character that evolves through the story and then gets closer to our characters.” The cinematographer expertly captured the increasingly darkening skies, the ominous amber light, and the raw terror as the fire’s destructive force grew. To achieve this visceral power, Pål worked closely with visual effects supervisor Charlie Noble, melding the practical and digital inferno into something that felt immediate and real.

When he first read the script, Pål was uncertain how they were going to shoot the story on a bus with 22 kids surrounded by fire. His solution was an artful manipulation of natural and artificial light. To depict the moment the smoke enveloped the town, the crew shot exterior scenes at dusk, cleverly capturing a darkness that felt both realistic and unsettling.

Real wildfires produce a distinct, saturated amber and reddish light. Pål reproduced this effect using 5k tungsten Skypans to illuminate the environment. The crew didn’t shy away from practical effects either, using piped-in propane gas and smoke machines to simulate the omnipresent threat of the blaze. They built controllable, flammable sections of buildings, like the school set, and even an on-set “forest” that could be intentionally lit to capture the immediate impact of the fire. The entire set—including the re-created hills and forest—was constructed on a backlot in New Mexico, with only a few exterior scenes shot near Santa Fe in Ruidoso, where the natural mountains and trees provided authentic backdrops for the bus’s journey. Adding to the realism, actor Matthew McConaughey often personally drove the bus when a stunt driver wasn’t required.

Pål’s preparation initially included plans to use a volume stage to generate realistic fire backgrounds, but Greengrass quickly decided he preferred the grounded look of shooting on the backlot. This forced a pivot. While they abandoned the volume stage, Pål did shoot certain sequences on a stage with the bus mounted on a gimbal against a bluescreen for fire visual effects.

Greengrass always prefers a realistic, documentary style, and most of the cinematography was handheld. Pål himself often operated one of the cameras, choosing the ARRI Alexa 35 paired with Canon Super 16 lenses. This combination was selected specifically for its ability to capture the complex depth and color palette of fire.

For Pål, shooting documentary style is both the biggest challenge and the best reward. He enjoys being able to pre-light and shotlist, but he had to embrace the non-precision of Greengrass’s style. “I tend to like to be on a dolly and frame up and light it, and it’s very comfortable,” he notes. “But with this way of doing it, you have to just follow the characters in their environment and then suddenly you find yourself being in this close-up, and it looks beautiful. I think it’s very liberating to tell the story with the camera dynamically.”

Find Pal Rokseth: https://www.xo.film/dop/pal_ulvik_rokseth_fnf
Instagram: @palulvikrokseth
See The Lost Bus on AppleTV.

Hear our previous interview with director Ron Howard and DP Lincoln Else. Their documentary, Rebuilding Paradise is about the town of Paradise rebuilding after the Camp Fire. https://www.camnoir.com/ep86/

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September 19, 2025

John Conroy on grounding the political thriller Zero Day

The Cinematography Podcast Episode 325: John Conroy, ASC, ISC

For the Netflix six-part political thriller, Zero Day, cinematographer John Conroy, ASC, ISC worked with director Lesli Linka Glatter to create a visual style that felt grounded in reality. Their goal was to make the story, which follows a cyberterrorist attack, feel like it could happen tomorrow. This approach allowed them to focus on the human element and the psychological impact of the events rather than sensationalized drama or violence.

John shot all six episodes of the series, a creative choice he found deeply rewarding, although he doesn’t feel the need to always be the lead DP. “Ultimately, if you’re lucky enough to be shooting, you should feel lucky enough that you’re shooting,” he says. “Doing all six was really great because I felt that I could curate the whole look of the show by episode by episode. But if I was only going to do two episodes, I would have enjoyed it just as much.” The cohesive approach was important since they prepped the episodes over 10 weeks as three separate films. John and Glatter shotlisted scenes on weekends, deciding what images would create the most impact for beginnings, transitions and exits for each scene. He made notes in his script to track the desired look, light, and emotion for each scene.

John says working with Robert De Niro was a pleasure. “It was one of the privileges of my career to shoot him. And he was very gracious and took notes and was very helpful with the camera crew and overall it was just like a really really good experience.” John found a subtle way to enhance De Niro’s performance through lighting and camera tests. “People’s faces look different when you light them from one side or the other,” he notes. “I found with Bob that when he was lit from his right hand side, that he looked more severe than when he was lit from the left hand side.” John used this technique in interrogation scenes to emphasize the character’s increasing pressure and tension. For more emotional scenes, he lit De Niro from the left to convey a more nuanced and serious tone. Framing each shot was important to the story as well. John always shot De Niro’s character, George Mullen, around high doorways and down long hallways, making him seem trapped and under increasing pressure.

A key element of the show’s look is John’s use of single-source lighting, keeping things simple and uncomplicated as much as possible. But he encountered a challenge with the Zero Day Commission offices, whose walls consisted of several layers of glass. John collaborated closely with the set builders to plan his shots and manage the numerous reflections in the office sets. To prevent unwanted double reflections, they created custom black panels to black out panes of glass behind the camera. The lights were cued to dim as actors walked through a shot, controlling reflections.

John’s passion for cinematography began at an early age, inspired by his father, Jack Conroy, who was also a cinematographer. At just 12, John began loading 16mm film for his father on documentaries and commercials. He then worked as a focus puller until he decided to move into cinematography after working on The DaVinci Code. He and his father were able to work together on the TV series Broadchurch, with Jack shooting second unit.

John’s current work can be seen on Wednesday Season 2, the upcoming Dune: Prophecy Season 2, and the upcoming Fallout Season 2.

Find John Conroy: Instagram: @jccine
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August 12, 2025

Cinematographer Matt Ball’s recipe for Tucci in Italy

The Cinematography Podcast Episode 320: Cinematographer Matt Ball

For cinematographer Matt Ball, shooting the National Geographic five part documentary series Tucci in Italy was a delightful experience. Tucci in Italy follows actor Stanley Tucci as he explores his Italian heritage, delving into regions rich in food and culture. “A big part of the success of the show is obviously Stan, but Stan wants to do it,” says Matt of Stanley Tucci. “Nobody necessarily loves getting up for work on a Monday morning. But getting up for work on a Monday morning in Italy and going to wonderful places, you know you’re going to do something interesting. And it’s the fact that people want to do it for their job that makes it so much easier.”

As a light-hearted, fun and engaging host, Tucci’s fluency in Italian and passion for the culture drove him to explore lesser-known stories, foods, and areas of Italy. With 20 distinct regions, each person in Italy has a unique identity attached to their home. Matt’s favorite location was the Carrera mountains in Tuscany, where the famous Carrera marble is mined. “The culture of Italy, I have such a deep love for that country from doing the show,” says Matt. “Everything about it, from the food to the scenery, everything affects you as you’re doing it. I mean, some of it is mind-bogglingly beautiful.”

While Stanley Tucci himself didn’t need a translator, the crew needed a little help. A translator spoke into an earpiece so the crew could follow the story closely and know what to capture. Matt used four cameras and a drone to capture the beauty of the region. To avoid asking subjects to repeat actions, one camera was always dedicated to shooting the food.

Scouting and pre-planning was key for the vision Matt had for the look of the show. Tucci in Italy is beautifully composed, without feeling formal, and uses very natural lighting. At each location, Matt and the director would take about 30 minutes to walk through the location to find the best spots for interviews, without compromising the story or the documentary nature. The most important goal was to make the interviewees feel at ease, with the cameras as unobtrusive as possible. Even if it meant shooting in a tiny, dark kitchen, the crew would do so to ensure the authenticity of the documentary. The Italians would also choose the right place to eat, usually out of the direct sun and in a comfortable situation. The hardest part of the job was often the heat, as much of the work was outdoors and shot handheld.

Find Matt Ball: https://mattballcamera.com/
Instagram: @mattbcam

Matt Ball has been nominated for Outstanding Cinematography for a Nonfiction Program for Tucci in Italy for the “Tuscany” episode.
See Tucci in Italy on Nat Geo on Disney+. The series has been renewed for a second season.

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June 12, 2025

Luke Cormack’s unseen magic on David Blaine: Do Not Attempt

The Cinematography Podcast Episode 314: Luke Cormack

For cinematographer Luke Cormack, filming the National Geographic series David Blaine: Do Not Attempt was an exercise in capturing the raw, unscripted moments of human connection and extraordinary feats. Luke leaned into his experience as a wildlife documentarian to patiently wait for the perfect, instinctual moments to unfold. The goal was not to capture polished performances, but the raw, visceral reactions from Blaine and the people he encountered on his global journey. “David’s not an actor or a host. We would have to create these ‘biospheres of spontaneity.’ So he can just get in there and be his most genuine self without you ever saying, ‘Oh, stop, David. Can you do that again?’ That just doesn’t work at all,” says Luke. “You have to constantly be looking for those little pieces of magic and those pieces of magic are usually when you’re setting something up or your eye isn’t on the ball.”

David Blaine: Do Not Attempt is not about magic, but about finding people in cultures around the world who perform real, extraordinary feats that look like magic. The series follows Blaine as he travels to nine countries, including Brazil, India, and Japan, and learns about their unique skills, lifting the veil behind those tricks. For the documentary crew, capturing this “magic” required a dedication to true verité techniques. This involved location scouting to determine optimal camera placements that would feel both intimate and unobtrusive. The producers also prepared the local performers for Blaine’s arrival, allowing for natural, unscripted interactions.

Luke’s strategy often involved a subtle deception. He would keep the cameras rolling long after a scene appeared to have wrapped, patiently waiting for the “in-between moments” that often yielded the most candid footage. “That true verité, I feel like that’s where we got all our nuggets. We’d often put everyone at ease as you actually pretend to stop filming,” he says. “When everyone thinks you’ve got the scene, you just keep rolling. And you kind of look away from the viewfinder a little bit, maybe relax your body language, and that’s usually when he’ll turn around and say something amazing.”

This philosophy of patient observation required the camera crew to be constantly vigilant, nimble, and able to blend into the background. The use of lower-profile Ronin 4D cameras was key to allowing the crew to navigate large crowds without drawing attention. To elevate the visual storytelling, Luke chose high-end prime and zoom lenses. He hired special crews for high-stakes sequences, such as filming with sharks underwater in South Africa or skydiving in the Arctic Circle.

The crew’s collaboration was often wordless, staying present and dedicated to capturing authentic interactions. They relied almost exclusively on natural light, repositioning themselves to find the most flattering illumination rather than directing the subjects. The unpredictable nature of Blaine’s performances in public spaces also meant that the crew had to be prepared for anything. “We traveled to nine different countries and a lot of it is crowd control,” Luke explains. “Like once you blow someone’s mind and they’re standing there with a group of 10, it becomes a group of 50 very quickly. And then you’re trying to get your shots and get in there and try and get the magic of it. But the whole time, you still have to keep your head on a swivel, have an exit strategy, realize that crowds can get dangerous really quickly, depending on where you are.”

This constant state of readiness, combined with a commitment to capturing authentic, unrehearsed moments, allowed Luke and his team to document the genuine wonder, fear, and awe that defines David Blaine: Do Not Attempt.

Find Luke Cormack: https://www.lukecormackfilms.com/
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April 23, 2025

Special: Hacks DP Adam Bricker, Live Podcast in Las Vegas

Special: Adam Bricker, ASC

Cinematographer Adam Bricker, ASC chats with Illya at our live podcast event hosted by the Broadcast Education Association at NAB Las Vegas. Adam discusses his early career and education, his breakthrough role as the DP of Chef’s Table on Netflix, and his work as the sole cinematographer on all four seasons of the Max TV show, Hacks.

Adam enjoys shifting between the documentary style of Chef’s Table and the narrative scripted comedy of Hacks. “I want my documentary work to be like a movie, and I want my movies to feel more like documentaries,” he says. “So I think that they’re obviously different muscles. I’ve been lucky to do a season of Hacks, and then spend the summer traveling with my friends and shooting Chef’s Table and then going back to Hacks.”

You can watch the current season of Hacks on Max, and the new season of Chef’s Table: Legends will be on Netflix April 28.

Find Adam Bricker: Instagram @realadambricker

Hear our previous episode with Adam Bricker from 2021. https://www.camnoir.com/ep133/

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March 26, 2025

Last Take: Rust and the Story of Halyna director Rachel Mason

Rachel Mason’s documentary, Last Take: Rust and the Story of Halyna, is not a sensationalist recounting of tragedy. It’s a deeply personal exploration of the life and untimely death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, whose life was tragically cut short on the set of Rust. Rachel, a friend and fellow filmmaker, centers the narrative on Halyna herself, weaving together interviews with her friends and colleagues to illuminate her legacy beyond the sensationalized headlines.

Rachel and Halyna became friends through their children, who were classmates at the same daycare. This shared experience blossomed into creative collaboration, with Rachel and Halyna working together on music videos, gallery installations, and performance art pieces. Following Halyna’s death, her widower, Matt Hutchins, entrusted Mason with the task of creating a documentary, out of a desire to counter the overwhelming media frenzy. “At first, the idea of doing a documentary about Halyna made literally no sense,” Mason recalls. “She’s the person I wanted to make films with. Suddenly I had to recognize, no, she has passed on, and someone’s got to tell the world who she was.”

Rachel dove into Halyna’s filmography and personal film archives that she had stored on hard drives. Halyna’s detailed notebook for Rust, filled with ideas and references, offered a profound insight into her creative process. While Rachel wanted to create a beautiful biography about her friend, she recognized the need to confront the media’s portrayal of the shooting. “The media portrayal of the way things unfolded became part of the film, because all the different people involved got distorted in the media. That became part of grappling with this story and trying to find the truth by going back and meeting the real people who were there.”

As Halyna’s friend, Rachel gained the trust of Halyna’s colleagues on the film, who shared their memories of her. Halyna’s own words from her notebooks and in messages and emails add to the narrative. Rachel also had to sit through the trial of the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, which was one of the of the hardest things she had to do for the documentary.

The decision to complete Rust after Halyna’s death sparked ethical debates within the film community. However, her family, including her mother, strongly supported the project. Rachel, who was granted exclusive access to the set during filming, believes that finishing Rust was essential. “Halyna wanted the world to see her work. She was so ambitious,” Mason emphasizes. “I have no doubt, Rust was gonna be the film that all the other directors would see a new, up and coming superstar. This would have taken their breath away. She would have gotten calls—she would have been a high level DP.”

You can see Last Take: Rust and the Story of Halyna on Hulu.

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March 19, 2025

Grace Point indie film director Rory Karpf & DP Al Francesco

For director Rory Karpf, a core philosophy is that things are going to change- a lesson learned from years of documentary filmmaking. This flexibility proved invaluable when crafting his indie feature, Grace Point. Adapted from a larger, more ambitious script, Grace Point tells the story of a young man on his way to a remote drug rehab. His journey takes a dark and unexpected turn when he finds himself in a strange town being chased by the locals and his own personal demons.

The genesis of Grace Point began with a documentary shoot in a very specific location. Rory and cinematographer Al Francesco were working on recreations in Laurinburg, North Carolina. Al suggested that Rory reimagine the script as a smaller, more intimate indie film, using the town’s natural settings. They were able to find every location they needed in Laurinburg and the surrounding area.

The rapid 19 day production schedule with 10-hour workdays required working around outdoor shoots and unpredictable Southern weather. With many locations donated, Rory and Al knew they couldn’t waste time with reshoots or lose any days to the weather. They dedicated two weeks to detailed location and technical scouting, meticulously planning shots and coverage. Al found the time to be flexible and see compositions when they naturally occurred, like taking advantage of a beautiful foggy morning during the shoot.

Rory and Al’s background in documentary filmmaking proved to be a significant asset. “One thing I learned with documentaries are things are gonna change,” Rory states. “With narrative scripted filmmaking, it could be the actor isn’t getting the scene right for whatever reason. We’re gonna try something a little bit different, and be open to that working.” Al’s documentary instincts led him to adopt a “keep the camera rolling” approach, even after “cut” was called, capturing authentic reactions. He also streamlined the process by lighting entire scenes and shooting multiple angles without resetting, and even capturing close-ups and inserts during rehearsals.

The collaboration between Rory and Al began at NFL Films, where they honed their skills on sports documentaries featuring prominent figures like Peyton Manning (The Book of Manning) and Snoop Dogg (Coach Snoop). These “follow docs” often involved recreations, which served as mini-movies, providing valuable experience for their transition to narrative filmmaking. Their established network of crew members, producers, and access to affordable gear proved crucial. “It’s not a negative for us to have a small crew and make the most of it- that’s normally what we do,” Al notes.

For Rory, the most vital aspect of filmmaking is fostering a positive and enjoyable atmosphere. “Working with Al, he makes the stuff look great, but he also understands how it incorporates in the story,” he says. This blend of technical expertise and storytelling acumen is what brought Grace Point to life, proving that even with limited resources, passion and ingenuity can create compelling cinema.

You can purchase Grace Point on Apple TV and Amazon Prime.

Find Rory Karpf: https://www.gracepointfilm.com/
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February 12, 2025

Sugarcane filmmakers Emily Kassie and Christopher LaMarca

Sugarcane is a powerful documentary film that delves into the dark history of abuse and murder at a Canadian residential school. These Catholic boarding schools in North America and Canada have caused lasting trauma across Indigenous communities. The film centers around the Williams Lake First Nation in British Columbia, where a ground-breaking investigation into the St. Joseph’s Mission residential school is underway. Sugarcane is Oscar-nominated for Best Documentary Feature.

Director Emily Kassie is an Emmy and Peabody-nominated investigative journalist and filmmaker. She was compelled to tell the story of the ongoing investigation and asked journalist and co-director Julian Brave NoiseCat to be a part of the team. NoiseCat’s family has an intimate and painful connection to the residential schools. His father, Ed Archie NoiseCat, was born at St. Joseph’s Mission to a student there. The NoiseCat family story became inextricably woven into the fabric of the documentary.

Emily envisioned a film that was not only informative but also deeply sensitive. She partnered with cinematographer Christopher LaMarca, whose verité style of filmmaking hinges on the power of time, trust and truth. Over two and a half years, Kassie and LaMarca spent 160 days in Williams Lake, embedding themselves within the community. “The approach to true verité filmmaking is time,” says Chris. “You need lots of time to shoot this way. You need to spend time with people before you even start shooting so that they trust you. It’s a way of being instead of just being a cinematographer.” Emily fully embraced Chris’s approach. “For me, what comes with time is trust and intimacy,” she says. “It was so important to earn the trust of this community that has been ravaged by colonization, that has been lied to and betrayed by white people since they arrived on the land.”

This trust informed every aspect of their filmmaking. The decision to use prime lenses, for example, was a deliberate choice. Instead of the distancing effect of a zoom lens, prime lenses required the filmmakers to physically move closer to their subjects, fostering a sense of connection and intimacy. “Prime lenses render the face and space differently than a zoom does,” Chris notes, emphasizing the importance of physical proximity in creating a sense of genuine conversation. The resulting close-up shots, born from their time spent in the community, offer a powerful and intimate glimpse into the lives and experiences of those affected by the residential school.

Both Emily and Chris were shooting with a Canon C500 Mark II camera at all times, simultaneously filming and recording their own sound. The emphasis on capturing dialogue was crucial, allowing them to connect the dots in the ongoing investigation and understand the full scope of the story. Emily meticulously logged and organized all the footage, immersing herself in the project for three and a half years. She became intimately familiar with every piece of research and evidence uncovered in the residential school archives.

For Chris, the most vital part of their process happened after each day of filming. Every night, they would download the footage and reflect on the moments that resonated most deeply. “You’re recalling all of the things that hit your heart the hardest and penetrated the deepest,” he explains. “And in that moment, that’s where the film starts to get made – not on paper, but from the heart, being totally clear and focused on what was happening in the day.”

Sugarcane premiered at the 2024 Sundance Film Festival and is available to stream on Disney+ and Hulu.

Find Emily Kassie: http://www.emilykassie.com/
Instagram @emilykassie

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December 18, 2024

Lawrence Sher, ASC on ShotDeck, Joker: Folie à Deux

Cinematographer Lawrence Sher, ASC has a career that spans indie favorites like Garden State to blockbuster hits like the Hangover movies and Joker. But it was the arduous process of creating lookbooks for Garden State that sparked an idea: a comprehensive, searchable database of cinematic images. This idea evolved into ShotDeck, a powerful tool for filmmakers and creatives alike.

Larry’s initial struggle involved manually grabbing screenshots from DVDs and tapes. Google Images offered some help, but the images lacked the cinematic quality he sought. By 2015, he began working with a computer engineer to build a solution, realizing that if he found such a library valuable, his colleagues would too. After years of beta testing, ShotDeck officially launched as a company in 2020.

ShotDeck can also be used beyond pre-production pitch decks. “In my day to day, what I realized was every director I communicated with, across all the other departments, we were constantly in need of communicating creative ideas,” Larry says. “It’s difficult to communicate creative ideas with words. Having images that you can point to with a director is the easiest way.”

Larry would like ShotDeck to become the “visual IMDb,” housing an exhaustive collection of cinematic imagery. Recently, ShotDeck partnered with Canva, integrating its library directly into the design platform. This allows Canva users to seamlessly access and incorporate over 1.5 million high-definition film stills into their projects, streamlining workflows for filmmakers, designers, and content creators.

For Joker: Folie à Deux, Larry and director Todd Phillips continued their 15 year collaboration. Certain scenes of the movie were partly influenced by The Sonny and Cher Comedy Hour. Larry had to rely on using screen grabs from the show’s DVDs as visual references, since they weren’t inputted into ShotDeck yet. Joker: Folie à Deux maintains a visual connection to the first Joker, but expands on the original by embracing more fantastical elements. They scaled up the stages and sets, which provided greater flexibility in lighting and camera movement. Larry was able to use more color and a wider range of lighting techniques during the musical sequences, as Arthur Fleck becomes more and more detached from reality. He sees Joker: Folie à Deux as an operatic tragedy, exploring the internal conflict of a person battling their shadow self and delving into the complexities of love and its potential to drive someone to the edge.

Larry defends director Todd Phillips’s creative vision for the sequel. “When you make a sequel, you have to have a new approach to the material, otherwise why do a sequel to anything?” he points out. “This idea that Todd just took $200 million and just lit it on fire is absurd. The greatest thing about Todd as a filmmaker is he’s at heart a gambler. He’s a gambler in the way that the movie business should be a gamble. What are we doing this for if not to continue to express something that isn’t simply trying to service the audience? We’re giving something that you might not have asked for.” He continues, “The movie we made and the way we approached it, it’s exactly what we were trying to do.”

Find Lawrence Sher: Instagram @lawrencesherdp

Hear our previous interview with Lawrence Sher on Joker: https://www.camnoir.com/ep56/

You can see Joker: Folie a Deux currently streaming on Max.

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November 13, 2024

Action comedy redefined: Thelma director Josh Margolin and DP David Bolen

Thelma is a heartwarming and inspiring action comedy about Thelma Post, a 93-year-old woman who falls victim to a phone scam and loses $10,000. Determined to reclaim her money, Thelma embarks on a thrilling adventure with her friend Ben (Richard Roundtree) on his borrowed mobility scooter across Los Angeles. As Thelma, June Squibb captivates with her portrayal of a feisty and independent senior citizen out for justice and redemption. Thelma challenges ageist stereotypes and inspires viewers to realize that they can fight back against injustice at any age.

Director and writer Josh Margolin’s masterful storytelling and keen eye for detail bring Thelma’s journey to life. He wrote the script from a place of love and admiration for his own grandmother, and enjoyed playing with action adventure elements. Josh admired cinematographer David Bolen’s documentary film, Some Kind of Heaven, which used a natural and humanistic style. “In making this movie, it was so important to me to find a partner who saw Thelma the way I saw it and wanted to bring a filmic look to it, but also be able to have fun with it,” says Josh.

David found the script incredibly relatable, since he also has a special relationship with his grandmother. He knew exactly how he wanted to approach the visual language of Thelma. With a background in shooting documentaries, David wanted Thelma’s world to feel real, so that audiences would emphasize with her life. “Documentaries have really influenced how I film narrative work,” he says. “I think it’s important for things not to feel overly lit or over the top. I’m chasing that feeling of realism and that subjectivity that a documentary can bring.” David chose to shoot on the ARRI Alexa 35, which was brand new at the time. During preproduction, David found the camera responded well to natural street light and shooting in nighttime conditions, since a good part of the film takes place at night.

With only a 25 day shoot, Josh and David created an extremely detailed shotlist. Josh was very aware that working with older actors meant that the production needed to work within their capabilities. The production team kept everything intimate and small, and the set felt like a close-knit family. “The logistics of it were challenging on this film,” says Josh. “It was a quick schedule and you are with elderly actors. So, you know, as capable as June is, and as amazing as she is, you don’t want to do a bunch of takes on something.” He felt confident that they could adapt on the fly and adjust to practical realities of certain moments. “On the page, everything is one way, and then the second you’re doing it, things change,” says Josh. “I think doing a lot of homework and also being able to be nimble was really helpful for shooting an indie in L.A.”

Josh, who also edited Thelma, did not make the deadline to submit for the 2023 Sundance Film Festival, but it allowed him the luxury of a long postproduction process and screenings for friends and colleagues. Once he submitted the film to Sundance for 2024 consideration, Josh felt pessimistic about their chances. But not only did Thelma get into the festival, it was given a world premiere screening. Shortly after, Magnolia Pictures picked it up for distribution.

Find Josh Margolin: Instagram @jmargo999

Find David Bolen: Instagram @davidbolendp

Thelma is currently available for rent on Amazon, AppleTV, or other VOD services and will be streaming on Hulu.

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