The Cinematography Podcast Episode 285: Benjamin Kračun
In The Substance, Elisabeth Sparkle (Demi Moore) is an aging celebrity fitness instructor who’s fired once she turns 50. She injects herself with a black market drug that creates Sue (Margaret Qualley), a younger, more perfect version of herself. While initially tempted by the promise of renewed youth and fame, she soon realizes that the drug comes with a set of unexpected and dangerous side effects. The body horror film explores unrealistic beauty standards and the dangers of worshiping fame and youth.
Though he wasn’t a horror fanatic, cinematographer Benjamin Kračun grew up with David Cronenberg and John Carpenter movies. Ben admired visionary director Coralie Fargeat’s work on Revenge. Likewise, she was impressed with his work on Promising Young Woman. Ben read through the script of The Substance, then immediately read it again. “I felt emotional reading it,” says Ben. “I don’t usually feel that when reading these types of genre scripts. Even though it speaks more to women aging, I think everybody can relate to the fact that we’re all aging, everyone has issues. The minute I read it I was just so in tune with Elisabeth.”
Together, Ben and Fargeat have crafted a film that’s equal parts grotesque and darkly satirical, a twisted reflection of our obsession with youth and beauty. The Substance begins in a glamorized Hollywood world that feels romantic and timeless but quickly descends into a nightmare. Ben and Fargeat chose to go old school, using a Translight backdrop on the apartment soundstage for the view overlooking Los Angeles. To differentiate Elisabeth’s world from Sue’s, Ben used a special pink swirl lens to emphasize color and vibrance on Sue. In contrast, he chose to light Elisabeth with hard light and cooler, bluer colors. Ben found that spherical lenses worked best for the numerous closeups in the film and against the Translight backdrop. As Elisabeth’s world crumbles, so do the camera angles, and Ben tested them all during prep. Initially, the frames are meticulously centered, reflecting the order she desperately clings to. But as chaos ensues, the angles become more extreme, mirroring her unraveling sanity.
The set for Elisabeth’s bathroom was huge and completely white, and a good deal of the action takes place in that room. It was challenging to shoot in that space, but it became a white canvas for Ben’s masterful use of camera movement. Fargeat meticulously storyboarded every gruesome transformation, ensuring seamless transitions between practical effects and subtle digital tweaks. All the special effects in the movie were done practically, with special builds, makeup, prosthetics, and movie blood. Digital VFX was used only to help stitch together or smooth out some of the makeup and prosthetic effects.
Rather than use a second unit, Ben shot every single frame alongside Fargeat, who wanted to give the film her full attention. This included many top down perspective shots throughout the film, along with several inserts and close ups. Once the cast was wrapped, Ben and the crew moved on to the close-up shots and inserts of the lab on a soundstage where “the substance” is created. In the end, it was the longest shoot he’d ever done at over 100 days.
When The Substance premiered at Cannes, Ben was amazed at the audience’s reaction. “No one had seen it. We didn’t know what the reaction was going to be,” he says. “It was amazing to see it come together in the cinema. That film stands out, it changes with a large audience. When they understand it’s satirical, they laugh through the third act.”
The Substance is in theaters now.
Find Benjamin Kračun: Instagram: @benkracun
Hear our previous interview with Ben Kračun on Promising Young Woman
Close Focus: The Substance has been submitted to the Golden Globes in the Musical or Comedy category, rather than drama.
Ben’s short end: Ben has continued to catch up on older movies, and watched Magic, a 1978 mildly spooky film starring Anthony Hopkins on Kanopy.
Illya’s short end: The Gentlemen on Netflix, a series by Guy Ritchie.
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